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Posted on 03/06/2010

In a couple converge two persons that come from different backgrounds. That make each one of us different. We all know that.
Those social, educational, emotional and economical differences, among others, might conduct couples to have a member that is more qualified than the other to face and surpass the challenges that every relationship presents, as well as other challenges of life. If this is true, do we have here an issue that needs to be discussed?
I would like to ask: Is the more prepared person the most responsible of the evolution of the relationship? The fact that I am emotionally and intellectually stronger and/or prepared makes me the obligated partner of the conduction of our relationship, of our life? Am I the one that "must" open the conversation, ask for pardon, bring the calm, decide the route, establish the frame of this and that????
Or, do I have to work on your re-education, help you to find the way to a better condition, so we can give us the possibility of equal capacity to face and live our relation ship??
May be, these are useless questions. Things have been this way since the man is man, and will be the same forever. How can we introduce in the issues of a couple the recognition that one is not as prepared as the other, who is going to define that?
What do you think? 


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Posted on 03/22/2010

Quoting Lisaprendergast

School of hard knocks takes more balls than an easy education. The most brilliant people I have ever know learned what they learned by an open mind and a whole bunch of guts.
God bless common sense. I am getting more and more the stupider I become:-)
Lisa 


Lisa, I know the feeling....LOL!



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Posted on 03/22/2010

"In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists." — Eric Hoffer



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Posted on 03/09/2010

Quoting LuisGeerre

Dear Pat:
First of all, thank you so much for your comments, and let me tell you that I don't take any of your words as an insult. Of course not.
Fortunately I am not in the situation you described, not either in the position to become the teacher of my soulmate. However, as I had answered to Lisa, I recognize that lovers learn from each other, but trying to become the tuthor, therapist or teacher of your mate is a complete mistake. That is my own answer.
I presented questions. Questions regarding an issue that easily comes up. Some views are regarding the issue of My Fair Lady; other's view are regarding how these differences are treated in the context of a simplier perception; others, have had bad experiences that they think that had to do with those cultural differences.
I asked, and here are the answers.
I wish you the best dear Pat. 


Guess I misinterpreted....

Oh, well.  I tried. 

Best to you, too, Luis.
 
Pat



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Posted on 03/09/2010

As much as you might be from different backrounds, there is something to say about learning.  It does NOT matter how old you are, everything is an education.  Knowing the subject before approaching it.  for exemple you wouldn't go to war in a different country before knowing the people, their ways......etc......same in relationship it applies, but there is a difference between making the person knowledgeable and teaching.  If you have to teach on regular basis, is it something you want to do?  how does the other person feels at that point? 
 
simplicity is the best route.  even though you might think you are superior in many levels, women have come a long way towards been sucessful as well.  even if you are from two different backround, you might teach each other something new.  usually the person see who you are and your personality rather than the materialistic aspect. As a man maybe certain things might be expected but not overbearing.



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Posted on 03/08/2010

Quoting GentlyWoman

So right, LuisGeere, things HAVE been this way since man was man.  In fact, there's this one story about how the highly prepared Eve "re-educated" her less evolved Adam, and they both enjoyed a "fruitful" life together forever more.  Amen.
 
Oh, yeah...the moral of the story.  The perfect life existed when all they had to do was have sex all day, eat, talk to their animals.  Keep it simple.  love each other, know your boundaries, pay your taxes, talk stuff through, respect the strengths of your partner, and graciously provide your own.  Sounds to me like a way to create something actually worthy of recognition...something more like what Lisa describes.  If this can't be done with your partner, perhaps it's the wrong person for you.


Dear GentlyWoman:
I didn't know that Eve re-educated Adam, her less evolved mate. Difficult to believe, due to the fact (with out evidence) that she was created from a rib of Adam. Just kidding, lol.
I thank you for those precise and elegant words. I loved the way you expressed yourself: Clear, short and with a bit of fine sarcasm about Adam´s roll in the genesis and definition of women-men relations (this is my bit).
Thank´s again and enjoy the day.
Luis
 



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Posted on 03/08/2010

Quoting Curious2078

Luis, if I understood you correctly--and I'm not at all sure I did...you seemed to be "speaking" from the position of having your head in your hands, tearing out your hair due to extreme frustration and confusion and worry [that's not an insult, Luis...not meant as such at all...just an observation which could be completely wrong on my part....]....

So....if I understood you correctly, you're talking about potentially becoming My Fair Lady's Professor Higgins to your own Eliza Doolittle.

Luis, that only happens in the movies.  Or is your Eliza Doolittle so incredibly attrative and sweet--and obviously HONEST--that you'd be willing to invest a TON of time and a TON of money in re-educating her?  If you want a 10-year project that will consume your every waking hour--go for it.  If you can't afford that--and I know no one who could--move on, Luis.  Move on to a woman who is already your social and cultural equal.

Just my take on the matter--and I apologize if I have misinterpreted your blog.  

Pat     


Dear Pat:
First of all, thank you so much for your comments, and let me tell you that I don't take any of your words as an insult. Of course not.
Fortunately I am not in the situation you described, not either in the position to become the teacher of my soulmate. However, as I had answered to Lisa, I recognize that lovers learn from each other, but trying to become the tuthor, therapist or teacher of your mate is a complete mistake. That is my own answer.
I presented questions. Questions regarding an issue that easily comes up. Some views are regarding the issue of My Fair Lady; other's view are regarding how these differences are treated in the context of a simplier perception; others, have had bad experiences that they think that had to do with those cultural differences.
I asked, and here are the answers.
I wish you the best dear Pat. 



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Posted on 03/08/2010

I feel it is important to be on both sides of that coin. Although I do not consider myself an idiot, there is certainly more to learn from other people as well. As long as the conversation has some fluidity and substance, what difference does it make if the person even graduated from a higher institution. Sometimes life's education can offer a person what they need to succeed and, although in "our" profession the licensure is required, it does not make us any more or any less than those who do not have it. Don't get me wrong, I do feel education is vital (for me at least) but there are many different ways to be educated.

I agree with somebody's comment (AZ?) regarding common sense. Whoever coined the term "ignorance is bliss" must have been a very happy, yet ignorant, human being. Nonetheless, likely dumber than a box of rocks...

Perhaps the screening process of prospective dates needs to be expanded a bit in order to learn more about one's interests and whether or not they are capable of conversation and interests. If you think about it, dating is like a job, it's a lot of work; albeit of a different type.



Courtney :)

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Posted on 03/08/2010

Quoting duchesse22

LOL so many questions? 


Yes, I had more questions than answers when I wrote this blog. Now, I am getting some answers while reading the lines of the persons that are sharing their comments.
Regards, Luis



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Posted on 03/08/2010

Quoting Arizona53

I know a lot of educated people whom I affectionately refer to as "dumb as sticks." Being educated doesn't make you smarter than the next person, it just may mean the opportunity never came up. Common sense holds a lot more water in my books than education......


Dear Arizona:
I clearly understand what you said, and I agree. Formal education does not give us character, personality; does not make us smarter.
Let me share with you this. In the recruiting of attorneys, for my office, I begun asking for persons with specialized knowledge of certain area of law. It did not work completely. In the following years, I asked for persons who really know how to read and how to write, attending the whole extension of the words "read" and "write". It worked better. Now, I just asked for person with personality, with strong and secure character.
We love personalities, we appreciate education.
Thank you so much for being a part of this discussion.
Luis



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Posted on 03/08/2010

Quoting Lisaprendergast

One plus one equals one. An impossible answer that is the real dream of most humanoids out there.When it all adds up to one, everyone involved is happy. Majic happened with no tricks!! Pride is not considered. Love actually is.
I have learned some awe inspiring life lessons from men in my past. Lessons that have brought me to my knees... metaphorically speaking. Each situation lacked humble pie, on one side or the other.  More often than not, I am so glad to have had the chance to know, learn, grow from him. 
There is a huge difference from sharing, caring and growing together and... "Educating Rita".,or "Romero" for that matter.
I don't think anyone is wanting to sign on to an online course in relationship training when they look across the room and decide to give someone a chance. Loving is really the last dance. The one that easily moves to the rythyms of two minds. Sure there is going to be daily work. But, in my humble oppinion... that is one place that the heart knows exactly what to do... if it feels safe and happy. All the answers are right there.
So, is one more responsable for running a relationship than the other??? Nope. Should someone take on training a mate in order for a relationship to succeed? Nope. Best go out and buy a dog. They train more easily
Lisa 


Dear Lisa: Thank you for your comments. I stated some facts that we all agree (I think). But at the moment of facing what was beyond my certainty, I decided to present questions, not statements.
As you did, I have learned too much from the women that I loved. Some times I felt not as evolved as them; sometimes I felt that my responses to certain situations were poor in comparison to theirs; other times I felt that the new possibilities to our relationship depended on me. I realized that, but it didn't frustrate me. I decided to learn, as well as I decided to give.
I agree with you: There is a huge difference from sharing........and "Educating Rita". I think that becoming the "teacher" or the tuthor or your partner is a mistake.
I am getting very interesting point of views, and this is the richness of presenting some questions about this. I really enjoyed the freshness of your words. I completely agree the way you see love and relationships, and hearing it from someone else let me confirm that simplicity, honesty, freshness and all what you have said allows us to live, not to discuss, love.
I am a richer person after reading what you have wrote, so....thank you.
Luis



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Posted on 03/08/2010

I know a lot of educated people whom I affectionately refer to as "dumb as sticks." Being educated doesn't make you smarter than the next person, it just may mean the opportunity never came up. Common sense holds a lot more water in my books than education......



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Posted on 03/08/2010

LOL so many questions? 



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Posted on 03/08/2010

Ditto, Mz. Lisa.  Love your spirit and spunk, but mostly, appreciate your positive outlook on love and life.  You gonna go far, baby!



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Posted on 03/07/2010

Quoting Curious2078

Luis, if I understood you correctly--and I'm not at all sure I did...you seemed to be "speaking" from the position of having your head in your hands, tearing out your hair due to extreme frustration and confusion and worry [that's not an insult, Luis...not meant as such at all...just an observation which could be completely wrong on my part....]....

So....if I understood you correctly, you're talking about potentially becoming My Fair Lady's Professor Higgins to your own Eliza Doolittle.

Luis, that only happens in the movies.  Or is your Eliza Doolittle so incredibly attrative and sweet--and obviously HONEST--that you'd be willing to invest a TON of time and a TON of money in re-educating her?  If you want a 10-year project that will consume your every waking hour--go for it.  If you can't afford that--and I know no one who could--move on, Luis.  Move on to a woman who is already your social and cultural equal.

Just my take on the matter--and I apologize if I have misinterpreted your blog.  

Pat     


I agree with Curious,, heaven forbid...

Except it may not take ten years, it might take eighty.

Better to spend ten years looking for the right one than ten or eighty years hoping someone will develop. I can tell you, from experience, most never do, and in fact, many get worse.



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Posted on 03/07/2010

Luis, if I understood you correctly--and I'm not at all sure I did...you seemed to be "speaking" from the position of having your head in your hands, tearing out your hair due to extreme frustration and confusion and worry [that's not an insult, Luis...not meant as such at all...just an observation which could be completely wrong on my part....]....

So....if I understood you correctly, you're talking about potentially becoming My Fair Lady's Professor Higgins to your own Eliza Doolittle.

Luis, that only happens in the movies.  Or is your Eliza Doolittle so incredibly attrative and sweet--and obviously HONEST--that you'd be willing to invest a TON of time and a TON of money in re-educating her?  If you want a 10-year project that will consume your every waking hour--go for it.  If you can't afford that--and I know no one who could--move on, Luis.  Move on to a woman who is already your social and cultural equal.

Just my take on the matter--and I apologize if I have misinterpreted your blog.  

Pat     



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Posted on 03/07/2010

You will not be able to "re-educate" the values.

There are things which can be learnt and changed, and things you can't change. Be wise in recognizing where something belongs.

When in love, it might not be easy.



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Posted on 03/07/2010

So right, LuisGeere, things HAVE been this way since man was man.  In fact, there's this one story about how the highly prepared Eve "re-educated" her less evolved Adam, and they both enjoyed a "fruitful" life together forever more.  Amen.
 
Oh, yeah...the moral of the story.  The perfect life existed when all they had to do was have sex all day, eat, talk to their animals.  Keep it simple.  love each other, know your boundaries, pay your taxes, talk stuff through, respect the strengths of your partner, and graciously provide your own.  Sounds to me like a way to create something actually worthy of recognition...something more like what Lisa describes.  If this can't be done with your partner, perhaps it's the wrong person for you.



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Posted on 03/07/2010

Quoting Lisaprendergast

One plus one equals one. An impossible answer that is the real dream of most humanoids out there.When it all adds up to one, everyone involved is happy. Majic happened with no tricks!! Pride is not considered. Love actually is.
I have learned some awe inspiring life lessons from men in my past. Lessons that have brought me to my knees... metaphorically speaking. Each situation lacked humble pie, on one side or the other.  More often than not, I am so glad to have had the chance to know, learn, grow from him. 
There is a huge difference from sharing, caring and growing together and... "Educating Rita".,or "Romero" for that matter.
I don't think anyone is wanting to sign on to an online course in relationship training when they look across the room and decide to give someone a chance. Loving is really the last dance. The one that easily moves to the rythyms of two minds. Sure there is going to be daily work. But, in my humble oppinion... that is one place that the heart knows exactly what to do... if it feels safe and happy. All the answers are right there.
So, is one more responsable for running a relationship than the other??? Nope. Should someone take on training a mate in order for a relationship to succeed? Nope. Best go out and buy a dog. They train more easily
Lisa 



I agree with you Lisa....Love is not a training ground, and education should not be a condition for loving....



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Posted on 03/07/2010

perhaps it is a cultural thing for you LG.
YOU decide what you want.
Get better matches to begin with and forget about all that other stuff. NO one likes to BE a " project"

Find someone who is one your level in as many areas as possible TO BEGIN WITH.
This comes off as rather insulting,like women always have to be " saved" or " fixed" .We don't.

This also come off as being chauvinistic. If you are finding women who you must rescue or fix, then the problem isn't them, its you.



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